_TrueFacts
09-04 01:53 PM
"_TrueFacts". You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.
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breddy2000,
you are crying like a 2 year old. As i have said numerous times. It will not matter on a public forum..any one can create an id.
As far as Mr.vadicherla doing a personal comment. First say if you support that or not. Tell him to apologize.
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breddy2000,
you are crying like a 2 year old. As i have said numerous times. It will not matter on a public forum..any one can create an id.
As far as Mr.vadicherla doing a personal comment. First say if you support that or not. Tell him to apologize.
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nb_des
08-04 03:00 PM
Pardon my ignorance, how does labor substitution work and what is FIFO?
There is no FIFO (first in first out) with respect to backlog processing . It may be LIFO.
There is no FIFO (first in first out) with respect to backlog processing . It may be LIFO.
pappu
01-28 05:12 AM
Such people give a bad name to high skilled immigrants. They give fodder to anti immigrants to talk against H1Bs and greencard applicants by talking about abuses and exploitation.
IV is against any kind of breaking of the law and condemn such people. I'm sure DOL is watching Sulekha website since this is the place where such ads have been posted and reported.
IV is against any kind of breaking of the law and condemn such people. I'm sure DOL is watching Sulekha website since this is the place where such ads have been posted and reported.
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snathan
08-16 06:06 PM
Its just highlighting the profiling because of name of religion or skin color. I agree world is not going to end but Indians need to be assertive to protect their own dignity.
In that case we have to do it everyday...not only when SRk was detained. are you doing that...no. Why?
In that case we have to do it everyday...not only when SRk was detained. are you doing that...no. Why?
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desi3933
07-27 12:20 PM
Nope that's not correct. You file your business earnings through 1099 and not W2. It has nothing to do with H1-B. Good luck.
1099 or W2, it does not matter.
On H-1B status, one can not run business. PERIOD. Check with US CIS for yourself.
One more thing, Passive Investment is not same as Running a Business. Passive Investment is allowed on H-1/H-4 and other non-immigrant visa status.
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Not a legal advice.
US citizen of Indian origin
1099 or W2, it does not matter.
On H-1B status, one can not run business. PERIOD. Check with US CIS for yourself.
One more thing, Passive Investment is not same as Running a Business. Passive Investment is allowed on H-1/H-4 and other non-immigrant visa status.
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US citizen of Indian origin
old_hat
05-02 11:08 PM
I am watching this thread last 36 hours, this is not media to discuss political issues, we are here to educate/lobby so called law makers of this country for our immigration issues.
STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS
Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.
Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.
We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.
What a massacre of history! LTTE has killed anyone who has opposed them. They killed Tamils who joined the govt. They killed Tamils who opposed them. they killed Sri Lankan Tamils, they killed Indian Tamils. They have believed in terror at every point of history. It is a terrorist organisation. I believe a lot of Tamils got killed ar Sriperambudar in the rally Rajiv was killed. Sonia on her part appealed for clemency to one of the accused who was sentenced to be hanged because she had a small child. Your passion and facts are getting mixed up here.
STILL BEING TAMILIAN, I HAVE RIGHTS TO SAY MY THOUGHTS
Tamils in SL is not Indian citizen but they migrated long back still have culture,family relation in India. Rajive got assassinated because he is trying to implement unpopular/unacceptable foreign policy in SL simply by trusting his popularity (he deserved for his mistake) One Sikh killed Indira but we accept another Sikh as our PM. It is Indian gov. lobbied efforts to ban LTTE by western country. they are well organized, disciplined and high tech group. some people raise another issue, they recruited young children to fight, we all are talking so called democartic India, still encouraging child labor every where in India. Srilanka Government boldy refusing all western country pressure, even United Nation (UN, this is pice of shit in the trash) unable to convience SL gov. because it is backed by Indian gov. or you may called Sonia gov.
Bottom line is Sonia is taking revenge on Tamils by supporting SL gov., after all she is from the country that killed Jesus.
We already denounced India, I am carrying Indian passport with shame.
What a massacre of history! LTTE has killed anyone who has opposed them. They killed Tamils who joined the govt. They killed Tamils who opposed them. they killed Sri Lankan Tamils, they killed Indian Tamils. They have believed in terror at every point of history. It is a terrorist organisation. I believe a lot of Tamils got killed ar Sriperambudar in the rally Rajiv was killed. Sonia on her part appealed for clemency to one of the accused who was sentenced to be hanged because she had a small child. Your passion and facts are getting mixed up here.
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tikka
07-03 10:03 PM
For all those that blame all the problems of the world on "illegal" immigration, including documented Latino immigrants, the news that so called "legal" immigrants hoping to be first in line for employer-sponsored green cards lost time and money when the government suddenly announced Monday that no new applications would be taken until the fall doesn't make the current system look so hot.
The State Department announced last month that employment visa numbers were available for all people seeking employer-sponsored green cards, except unskilled workers. It sometimes takes years for applicants to get those numbers.
The announcement meant that as early as Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Services would begin accepting applications. The applications are hefty, requiring medical exams, a lot of documentation and the applicant's presence in the United States.
But an update on the State Department Web site posted Monday said 60,000 such numbers were no longer available because of "the sudden backlog reduction efforts by Citizenship and Immigration Services offices during the past month."
The department called the backlog reduction an "unexpected action" and said employment visa numbers would be available again Oct. 1.
Practically speaking, what does this mean? Tens of thousands of people who work in the United States under employment visas and their families were affected by the change. There are reports of family members flying in to apply only to have to fly back.
Then people wonder why my faith in the immigration system and reforming it is nonexistent.
http://vivirlatino.com/2007/07/02/even-documented-immigrants-facing-an-uphill-battle.php
The State Department announced last month that employment visa numbers were available for all people seeking employer-sponsored green cards, except unskilled workers. It sometimes takes years for applicants to get those numbers.
The announcement meant that as early as Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Services would begin accepting applications. The applications are hefty, requiring medical exams, a lot of documentation and the applicant's presence in the United States.
But an update on the State Department Web site posted Monday said 60,000 such numbers were no longer available because of "the sudden backlog reduction efforts by Citizenship and Immigration Services offices during the past month."
The department called the backlog reduction an "unexpected action" and said employment visa numbers would be available again Oct. 1.
Practically speaking, what does this mean? Tens of thousands of people who work in the United States under employment visas and their families were affected by the change. There are reports of family members flying in to apply only to have to fly back.
Then people wonder why my faith in the immigration system and reforming it is nonexistent.
http://vivirlatino.com/2007/07/02/even-documented-immigrants-facing-an-uphill-battle.php
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life99f
06-28 12:42 PM
Good idea. But I am going to TSC.
This is what I'm doing. I'm flying to Nebraska service center friday night. Will put my shelter in front on PO box and will remain there until Monday morning. Once the USCIS guy comes up to pick up the mails, I'm just going to hand deliver my paper before he even opens his mail box.
Want to join me ;)
This is what I'm doing. I'm flying to Nebraska service center friday night. Will put my shelter in front on PO box and will remain there until Monday morning. Once the USCIS guy comes up to pick up the mails, I'm just going to hand deliver my paper before he even opens his mail box.
Want to join me ;)
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hpandey
07-21 11:42 AM
My desi neighbor told me about it recently. What are your experience with Amway Quickstar. Have you guys made money from it?
Looks like you are too new to the US not to know about the Amway scam artists ..
Remember if you join even your friends will become your enemies :D
They are like leeaches .. very hard to get rid off.
Looks like you are too new to the US not to know about the Amway scam artists ..
Remember if you join even your friends will become your enemies :D
They are like leeaches .. very hard to get rid off.
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breddy2000
09-04 12:57 PM
Sreedhar,
I agree with your comments.
In India, politics have been used to amass money, wealth and YSR has used his position for killings, land grabbing, scams etc.,
Make money the right way, no one stops any one. Where is the end to corrupt means? Yesterday YSR, today his Son. The biggest problem today India is facing is, people involved in policy making deeply submerged in corruption.
There should not be an excuse on comparison. If today we don�t condemn, tomorrow we will be affected. And being here we have to set an example to other people out there in India, living and working in USA is an experience that can�t be valued on paper.
True Facts have Guts to reveal yourself..... We know that you have compromised on personal details about IV members....This is insane I say.....
I agree with your comments.
In India, politics have been used to amass money, wealth and YSR has used his position for killings, land grabbing, scams etc.,
Make money the right way, no one stops any one. Where is the end to corrupt means? Yesterday YSR, today his Son. The biggest problem today India is facing is, people involved in policy making deeply submerged in corruption.
There should not be an excuse on comparison. If today we don�t condemn, tomorrow we will be affected. And being here we have to set an example to other people out there in India, living and working in USA is an experience that can�t be valued on paper.
True Facts have Guts to reveal yourself..... We know that you have compromised on personal details about IV members....This is insane I say.....
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PrayForEveryone
07-10 11:45 AM
Friends,
Its upsetting to see USCIS playing with our lives. Inviting us to file AOS and then shutting the door on us when we did all the hard work to get here LEGALLY. I remember someone mentioning "GC is a scam". Did'nt USCIS attempt to do that with us? It all about ATTITUDE and at this point I hate USCIS/DOS's attitude towards us (Legal Immigrants) and our families. Starting June 13th, we all would shorten our life-span by 2-5 years due to this tension/excitement.
Well, most people would say US wont be affected even if we relocate in some other country. May be true! But my company keeps loosing work due to not finding the right candidate for the job. So they will of course!
In the long run, if this broken immigration system is not fixed, no business can afford to lose any resources when they know that there is demand in market. Microsoft has found other ways and this is the best example and more companies would soon follow. I hope that this mess gets cleaned soon!
I am moving to Australia to start a new venture!!
Its upsetting to see USCIS playing with our lives. Inviting us to file AOS and then shutting the door on us when we did all the hard work to get here LEGALLY. I remember someone mentioning "GC is a scam". Did'nt USCIS attempt to do that with us? It all about ATTITUDE and at this point I hate USCIS/DOS's attitude towards us (Legal Immigrants) and our families. Starting June 13th, we all would shorten our life-span by 2-5 years due to this tension/excitement.
Well, most people would say US wont be affected even if we relocate in some other country. May be true! But my company keeps loosing work due to not finding the right candidate for the job. So they will of course!
In the long run, if this broken immigration system is not fixed, no business can afford to lose any resources when they know that there is demand in market. Microsoft has found other ways and this is the best example and more companies would soon follow. I hope that this mess gets cleaned soon!
I am moving to Australia to start a new venture!!
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breddy2000
09-05 03:47 PM
QUOTE=_TrueFacts;840961]breddy2000,
Shame on you. thoo
In your love for YSR, you are behaving like him. Are you from Kadapa? Why unnecessarily picking on CHANDUV23. I got his profile id from Orkut.
orkut - (http://www.orkut.com/Main#FullProfile?rl=pcb&uid=16002627991370248382)[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about me ass hole.....I do not have any Orkut and for that matter you cannot see me in Linkedin or any other solcial networking site.....
Because of assholes like you , who misuse privacy I do not register like you Mr. CHANDUV23.....
.....Just becasue my handle is contains reddy does not mean I love my Caste. And I have enough guts to say what I want to using my originbal ID and not like u ass hole hinding under the shandow and misuse the system (so called corrupted asshole, who is talking about corruption in India...)
KLK----
And guess what's the commonality between "_TrueFacts" and "CHANDUV23"....Both use "IMV" instead of "IV", to abbreviate Immigration Voice....
Don't let me reveal many more similiarities between "CHANDUV23" and "_TrueFacts".
Better of begging on the roads rather than playing your split personality role and creating havoc on this public forum.....
Go see your own posts AH.....
U Need to alteast learn how to hide your true identity......MOTHER FUCKER...
Shame on you. thoo
In your love for YSR, you are behaving like him. Are you from Kadapa? Why unnecessarily picking on CHANDUV23. I got his profile id from Orkut.
orkut - (http://www.orkut.com/Main#FullProfile?rl=pcb&uid=16002627991370248382)[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about me ass hole.....I do not have any Orkut and for that matter you cannot see me in Linkedin or any other solcial networking site.....
Because of assholes like you , who misuse privacy I do not register like you Mr. CHANDUV23.....
.....Just becasue my handle is contains reddy does not mean I love my Caste. And I have enough guts to say what I want to using my originbal ID and not like u ass hole hinding under the shandow and misuse the system (so called corrupted asshole, who is talking about corruption in India...)
KLK----
And guess what's the commonality between "_TrueFacts" and "CHANDUV23"....Both use "IMV" instead of "IV", to abbreviate Immigration Voice....
Don't let me reveal many more similiarities between "CHANDUV23" and "_TrueFacts".
Better of begging on the roads rather than playing your split personality role and creating havoc on this public forum.....
Go see your own posts AH.....
U Need to alteast learn how to hide your true identity......MOTHER FUCKER...
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gc28262
07-27 02:43 PM
"..veracity of this statement"
Sure pick up the phone and dial IRS, or call your accountant. Or your lawyer if you want to play it safe.
Other people doesn't do or will never do anything, other then wearing pantyhose and tip toeing through the tulips.
I don't think it is legal to work in QXtar when you are on H1B. When you are an IBO ( Independent Business Owner), you are running your own business. I don't think that is allowed on H1B.
Checking IRS doesn't make sense from an H1Bs perspective as IRS has got nothing to do with H1B laws. All they do is make sure you are paying your taxes.
Sure pick up the phone and dial IRS, or call your accountant. Or your lawyer if you want to play it safe.
Other people doesn't do or will never do anything, other then wearing pantyhose and tip toeing through the tulips.
I don't think it is legal to work in QXtar when you are on H1B. When you are an IBO ( Independent Business Owner), you are running your own business. I don't think that is allowed on H1B.
Checking IRS doesn't make sense from an H1Bs perspective as IRS has got nothing to do with H1B laws. All they do is make sure you are paying your taxes.
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sledge_hammer
02-04 10:30 AM
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http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_020207.html
There is already a thread that addresses this issue -
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3073
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_020207.html
There is already a thread that addresses this issue -
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3073
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rsharma
10-07 04:40 PM
I have built a very simple EB2-I Visa predition model
Making following assumption
15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)
EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007
I would be very happy if your predictions come true. But it appears you have not taken into consideration of the fact that thousands of EB3 might move over to Eb2.
Making following assumption
15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)
EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007
I would be very happy if your predictions come true. But it appears you have not taken into consideration of the fact that thousands of EB3 might move over to Eb2.
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alterego
06-27 07:00 AM
Visa number retrogression has no basis in the number of I 485s received. It is based on the number approved.
In the current melee, it will be a huge number of 485s applied, it does not mean the 485s will be approved any quicker.
Hence I am not sure where you all are getting these rumors from.
In the current melee, it will be a huge number of 485s applied, it does not mean the 485s will be approved any quicker.
Hence I am not sure where you all are getting these rumors from.
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eager_immi
07-11 02:02 PM
Nobody is denying US is a better country at this point of time financially. Canada is no comparison. But the issue is do we want to continue living like prisoners in the US or seek opportunity else where? I think if opportunity comes knocking at your door grab it bc US is going throught it's xenophobic phase.
be ware grass is not always greenr on the other side....in canada i mean...read anad heard a lot of bad experiences in canada
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be ware grass is not always greenr on the other side....in canada i mean...read anad heard a lot of bad experiences in canada
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mbawa2574
02-16 12:14 PM
dear Bestia, I don't recall anyone calling the situation you described racism. I for one said it's human nature's favorism and, like it or not, it does jeopordize diversity, so you will have a hard time convincing US to let go something it wants for the sake of something else just because it's better for you.
Please note that I did not start this discussion and I hate it as much as you, but the ones who started it did so by repeatedly saying that the disproportionate indian chinese lines here are mainly because they are 1- better and brighter than the rest of us 2- more marketable than us 3- more educated than us 4- all of the above
can't you see the blatant racism in these explanations and my right as an ROW to be offended by them? I never intended to run down the indians and chinese when i say that no these are not the reasons, we all have equal skills and that the real reasons are the higher population of india and china and the skewed methods of bodyshops..
i'll stop responding to the other idiot who has nothing but insults and conspiracy theories instead of real arguments, someone doesn't realize that 90% of IV members did not attend the rally, yes throw that in their faces and ask them to leave whenever you run out of idiotic arguments. really pathetic!
You are a racist b* who just thinks about yourself and you have been planted here by other camp. U must have come out of some gutter country where democracy has no meaning and you don't know meaning of majority. You are favoring an agenda because it is good for you today. get the hell of this website. You don't belong here you racist bigot. May be we will need to track your ip address and throw you from here at some point of time.You hate Indians and Chinese and come back to IV where we have majority. This is not going to happen.
Please note that I did not start this discussion and I hate it as much as you, but the ones who started it did so by repeatedly saying that the disproportionate indian chinese lines here are mainly because they are 1- better and brighter than the rest of us 2- more marketable than us 3- more educated than us 4- all of the above
can't you see the blatant racism in these explanations and my right as an ROW to be offended by them? I never intended to run down the indians and chinese when i say that no these are not the reasons, we all have equal skills and that the real reasons are the higher population of india and china and the skewed methods of bodyshops..
i'll stop responding to the other idiot who has nothing but insults and conspiracy theories instead of real arguments, someone doesn't realize that 90% of IV members did not attend the rally, yes throw that in their faces and ask them to leave whenever you run out of idiotic arguments. really pathetic!
You are a racist b* who just thinks about yourself and you have been planted here by other camp. U must have come out of some gutter country where democracy has no meaning and you don't know meaning of majority. You are favoring an agenda because it is good for you today. get the hell of this website. You don't belong here you racist bigot. May be we will need to track your ip address and throw you from here at some point of time.You hate Indians and Chinese and come back to IV where we have majority. This is not going to happen.
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Ramba
05-01 05:30 PM
Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.
Really? Then why did India meddle in Pakistan affairs and liberated East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 70s? People should post only after reading complete SL history and how minorities were suppressed. One point of time GOI supported and funded and trained LTTE. The problem for India as well as Sri Lankan Tamils is lack of strong/tough/clever leader like Indra Gandhi. The problem for SL tamils are the "ego" of Prabakaran. He himself wants to be a only leader and not yielding to anyone and not willing to compramise. The LTTE is necessary evil to solve this issue. Without them, one can not find a peace solution. Though, they did lot of mistakes and criminal activites, they needed in negotiation. All political parties in TN and GOI is playin drama in view of election. It is so pain to watch the situation of the innocent peoples trapped in this war. If India, would have stepped in long back, lot of innocent lives would have been saved.
Really? Then why did India meddle in Pakistan affairs and liberated East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 70s? People should post only after reading complete SL history and how minorities were suppressed. One point of time GOI supported and funded and trained LTTE. The problem for India as well as Sri Lankan Tamils is lack of strong/tough/clever leader like Indra Gandhi. The problem for SL tamils are the "ego" of Prabakaran. He himself wants to be a only leader and not yielding to anyone and not willing to compramise. The LTTE is necessary evil to solve this issue. Without them, one can not find a peace solution. Though, they did lot of mistakes and criminal activites, they needed in negotiation. All political parties in TN and GOI is playin drama in view of election. It is so pain to watch the situation of the innocent peoples trapped in this war. If India, would have stepped in long back, lot of innocent lives would have been saved.
stemcell
06-01 03:11 PM
Buddy , people do win lawsuits , against the governments.
I am not saying sue them , and get greencards .
Lawsuit, may be possible againstcountry quota.
Lawsuit, may be possible to recapture the wasted immigrant visas. The Law states the limit , for a year. It doesnt say that it expires on the last day of the year.If USCIS couldnt use that in a year , it should use it the next year.
Paying medicare/ss taxes, and not getting them, is also wrong, These are not Income Taxes, we are paying for some services, which we would never get.(Just like unemployment insurance)
You may have a point there...
I am not saying sue them , and get greencards .
Lawsuit, may be possible againstcountry quota.
Lawsuit, may be possible to recapture the wasted immigrant visas. The Law states the limit , for a year. It doesnt say that it expires on the last day of the year.If USCIS couldnt use that in a year , it should use it the next year.
Paying medicare/ss taxes, and not getting them, is also wrong, These are not Income Taxes, we are paying for some services, which we would never get.(Just like unemployment insurance)
You may have a point there...
villamonte6100
12-14 01:41 PM
I totally agree with you.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
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